The SIG P365 – A Long Term Review

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This time last year (2017) I was opening a press release from SIG and being blown away reading about the new gun they named the P365. Naturally, I felt compelled to write a full-blown SIG Sauer p365 review. It promised to be a hair smaller than a Glock 43 but offered ten rounds in a flushing fitting magazine and twelve with a pinky extension. The gun seemed too good to be true. It was a big draw at SHOT 2018 and as most people predicted this could be the ultimate carry gun. SIG was packing it full of features, and offering it at a very competitive price.

The SIG Sauer P365’s key to its success is the gun’s magazine. It’s the perfect dimensions to house 10 or 12 rounds in a compact package. Somehow they made the gun as thin and as small as most polymer frame single stacks with a semi-doublestack magazine.

Look at this cutie.

Editor’s note: 15 round extended mags for the Sig P365 are now a thing. They’re shipping now.

In May 2018 I was finally able to get my hands on one.

The SIG P365 was not without its controversy. Almost immediately following the release of the gun shipping was stopped. Problems were uncovered that involved the SIG Lite night sights breaking off, bad trigger springs, failure to go into battery, and light primer strikes. Issues are documented by popular Youtuber Military Arms Channel over two P365s, Harry’s Holsters did a 1,000 round review and recorded a dozen or more different problems. SIG saw this and made a wise decision to do something about it. SIG issued essentially what was a generation 2 pistol pretty early on.

P365 Gen 2 Reliability

Reliability is often the last category I cover, but with the problems known with this gun, most people would be curious as to how the Gen 2 holds up.

Mine falls in that Gen 2 timeline, and now that I’ve had it for some time I can say the kinks are ironed out, or at least with my gun they are. I didn’t do any crazy 1k tests in one day, but after the first few months of ownership, I started keeping track of the rounds I’ve fired through the gun. I have an approximate round count of 1,300 rounds give or take. Typically I shot Winchester White Box but mixed in some of SIG’s P365 ammo, Speer Gold Dots, SIG FMJ, Zinc Fmjs, Freedom Munitions, and some Tula made its way in there.

just Larping as an operator…

In terms of failures, I only experienced two failures-to-fire with Freedom Munitions American Steel Ammo. I attempted a restrike and one did fire, and the second did not. As of note, the second round would not shoot in an 80% Glock I also had at the range.

I’ve only had one failure to eject, and it occurred when firing a Dot Torture drill on the strong hand only portion. Ammo was SIG’s reduced recoil P365 load. Overall I’d say reliability is rock solid. 

Striker Drag

One of the biggest complaints and potential problems with the gun is the MIM firing pin. MIM can be perfectly suitable for firearms parts, Ruger makes it work, but when it is bad it is bad. Some owners experienced broken firing pins and a small aftermarket of steel pins has even popped up.

Every Day, No Days Off

The design of the weapon seems to cause an excessive amount of primer drag. Most small striker guns have this, but the P365 seems to have a touch more than most. Does this cause excessive wear? It would seem to. According to SIG, it does not. My firing pin hasn’t had issues, but many firing pins have broken or become bent.

Ergonomics

The ergonomics of the pistol overall are excellent. The gun is comfortable to hold onto, and the 10 round magazine with slight pinky extension is absolute money. It’s as short as a grip can get and still allow me to hold onto it. Under the trigger guard is an excellent high undercut that helps maximize the grip.

The grip is also thin and comfortable in hand. The magazine release is large and easy to reach which I like. The problem here is dropping the magazine. I find my pinky and palm creating pressure and holding the magazine inside the gun when I hit the release. This is a classic big hand, small gun problem.

SIG P365

Mag Empty, but slide closed… damn these big thumbs

The gun doesn’t have a beavertail, so to say, but it does have a nice cliff that allows you to get your hand high on the grip without worrying about slide-bite. An issue I have with this gun and most SIGs is the placement of the slide lock.

It sits right where my thumbs go with a thumbs forward grip. This causes the slide lock to be held down, and this means the slide won’t lock back after the last round is fired (at least for me). It’s annoying but something I’ll live with.

On the Range

Shooting the gun is very nice. The recoil is standard mini 9mm, so it’s a little stout and has some flip to it. Its plenty controllable and the grip is undoubtedly helpful here. Firing double taps and controlled pairs accurately is pretty easy to do with a little practice. The trigger is light and smooth. It had a clean break with minimal take-up. The reset is tactile, audible and best of all short.

Boom, Bang, Pew,

The new X-RAY3 sights are fantastic. The sights are dual purpose and work for both night and day shooting. The rear sight is blacked out with two hidden tritium vials. The front sight has a tritium vial but is surrounded by a big, bright green insert. In the dark, the sights glow incredibly bright and are easy to pick up and see.

Big, Green, and Beautiful

In the light, the big green dot is quick and easy to pick up and align with the blacked out rear sights. It’s straightforward to get that big front sight on target and to follow that sight with some well-placed lead.

Blacked Out Rear Sights

The gun is more accurate than it has any right to be, and it’s not just minute of bad guy accurate. It’s plenty capable of reaching out beyond 20 yards and remaining not just accurate, but combat capable. By combat capable I mean drawing and placing rounds on target as fast as possible. At 25 yards you can still slow down and hit small targets with excellent precision. Small guns often have small sight radius, and SIG pushed back the rear sight as far as possible to help increase sight radius.

Carry and Comfort

The SIG P365 was a big hit, and plenty of companies produce holsters for it. I carry mine in a Clinger Holsters No Print Wonder V3. It disappears in an IWB rig and is a gun you can forget about when carrying. It’s small and light, I mean, look at the specs.

Barrel Length – 3.1 inches

Overall Length – 5.8 inches

Weight – 17.8 ounces

Height – 4.3 inches

Width – 1 inch

It’s smaller and lighter than the Glock 43, at least unloaded. Four to six more rounds of 9mm pushes the loaded weight up there. Even so, it’s a very comfortable and easy to carry gun. No real complaints regarding pokes and prods while carrying. It’s a bit big for pocket carry, but I’m sure someone out there will make it work.

The P365 is an excellent carry gun

My Gripes

When it comes to complaints, I only have a few. The first is why the hell use a proprietary rail? Was a pic rail too big? I hate proprietary anything, and luckily Recover Tactical makes a rail adapter if you want to mount something to the gun. SIG does make a light and laser system for the rail and gun that is quite compact, too.

SIG P365

This Little Fella Has a Forever Home With Me

The P365

The P365 had some major teething issues admittedly, and SIG Sauer should have taken their time to fix these issues pre-launch, but at least they got it right… eventually. This is a great all around carry gun, and the “Gen 2” models seem to be running a lot smoother than previous models. This little guy is an excellent compromise in size, capacity, features, and price. I predicted at SHOT Show 2018 that SIG would have jump-started the need for innovation in the concealed carry market and it seems they have.

I Just enjoy this guy

Glock has responded with two new compact guns, Mossberg is tossing one out, too. The P365 continues to be a popular choice despite the initial issues, and it’s easy to see why. Will it hold the crown forever? Likely not, but we’ll see. 

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  • TB

    Taurus G2C for 1/3 the cost…

    • Groundhog666

      1/3 the reliability, 1/10 the customer service

      • TB

        I bet you’ve never shot it.

        • valorius

          Taurus < Sig.

          You get what you pay for.

          • http://aliasbarackobama.blogspot.com/ Dr. Ron Polland

            No, you don’t.

            The worst gun I ever bought was the Sig P250 due to its sh*tty trigger system. It injured my finger because the trigger wouldn’t break until it was pinned against the grip and the major muzzle rise torqued my finger like a biker twisting the throttle on his Harley.

            For the price of the P250, I’ve bought both the Taurus PT111 and PT709 that have better triggers and are more comfortable than the “modular” Sig POS. Reliability-wise, the only issue I had with either gun was replacing the recoil spring in the PT111 after a visual inspection. At that point, I had fired about 3,500 rounds through it and on disassembly, I noticed that edge of the recoil spring had jumped over the retaining flange although this condition didn’t hinder the action of the slide.

            I called Taurus on a Thursday morning requesting a replacement spring and on Friday, there was a new recoil spring sitting in my mailbox. So, it’s hard to complain about their customer service when you get a next-day response like that.

            Today’s Taurus is nothing like their early days when they did have problems with their firearms and customer service. More importantly, how the hell can you justify all of the problems with the P365 when you implicitly imply that every gun that Sig Sauer makes is better than any gun made by Taurus with your stupid “Taurus < Sig" comparison?

          • Meanstreak

            Being that you are a doctor i know you are an idiot. Judging a manufacturer on 1 gun goes against not judging taurus for the miserable pieces of shit that they used to make. So, which is it.

      • R. lee

        Yeah, Taurus is a joke. Customer bought Taurus Milinium in .40 cal. It broke with less than 100 rounds fired through it. Taurus couldn’t fix it. It took Taurus from March 2018 to June 27th 2019 to send a replacement gun. What did they replace it with???? Not a .40 cal but a 9mm G2C. Taurus customer service SUCKS. Don’t buy a Taurus they are freaking boat anchors. You can’t get them to answer the telephone or email or a letter. Just my 2 cents. My customer was pissed they gave him a gun that sells for an average of $200.00. He paid over $400.00 for his milinium. The waiting for a supposedly life time warranty isn’t worth it. I steer every customer away from anything Taurus. I can’t and won’t sell them. If people knew what the mark up is on these POS Taurus would and should be drove out of business. I’ll sell a Hi Point before a damn Taurus. Hope I made my point. Taurus are junk.

    • gary_lankford

      Smaller, lighter, and night sights, I happily paid 2.5X more for my P365.

      • TB

        For 1/3 of the reliability. Good job by you.

        • Hammer

          Mine has been 100% reliable. Just sayin’.

    • Rob-L

      I’m not sure why the G2C gets brought up when discussing the P365.The P365 is much more compact. It’s not apples to apple IMO.

      • http://aliasbarackobama.blogspot.com/ Dr. Ron Polland

        You’re right. The G2S should have been brought up in this discussion since it’s the same size as the P365 and has 8, 9 and 10-round mags available for it.

        • Rob-L

          It’s not the same size at all. And it holds 12 rounds.

        • Rob-L

          Exactly. Less round count, and larger. G2S isn’t in the same neighborhood. It’s close, but a bit down the street.
          G2C
          Barrel Length 3.25″
          Overall length: 6.25″
          Overall width: 1.10″
          Overall height: 4.8″
          Overall weight: 19.85 oz.

          P365
          Barrel Length 3.10″
          Overall length:5.80″
          Overall width: 1.00″
          Overall height: 4.30″
          Overall weight: 17.8 oz.

  • Joe Benedetto

    The 365 is a great carry gun. I bought mine in mid April 2018. Over 11,500 rounds from various brands and grains. Brass & Aluminum. Zero problems. SIGGY is one tough little gun.

    • Joe Benedetto

      Update… Over 20,000 rounds so far. I have eased off range time with the 365 because of other fun toys. Still my EDC.

  • TB

    If the G2C said “Glock” or “Sig” on the slide and it cost $400 folks would lose their minds.

    • Rob-L

      If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. What is your point?

  • valorius

    I’ve been waiting for the bugs to be worked out on the 365 before buying one. I think it might be time.

    • https://romanolawpc.com/ Michael Romano

      They need to get that striker drag fixed, and have a more reliable firing pin. That’s the last thing I want to break on a carry gun.

      • Hammer

        Complete non-issue in my experience that the interweb snowflakes with too much time on their hands have blown totally out of proportion.

        I have a 2019 P365 with 600 rounds through it so far of mixed ammo and zero issues.

        • Scottie Mince

          600 whole rounds? That’s an afternoon at the range for most folks, or one day of a weekend class

          • Knowledge is Power

            So, how so you like the 365?

          • Hammer

            Thanks, sport. I’ve been through plenty one-day classes. Saying that I have 600 rounds through the gun wasn’t bragging, it was simply stating the fact. Take it for what you will.

          • tCotUS

            I’ve had a 365 for years, put hundreds of rounds through it. I really don’t consider it a field pistol but it does preform the duties.
            Oh & by the way for comparisons..I traded off my Glock 43 & 43X.

          • Joe Benedetto

            Read my comment above about my round count of over 20,000.

  • Robert Skinner

    Bought my P365 September 2018. Paid $499.99 with free shipping. I have 950+ trouble free rounds through it. I put a R5 Viridian green laser on it due to my aging eyes. I was a Glock guy. Bought a Walther PPQSC for a home defense gun, and really like it. But The P365 is a phenomenal weapon. It goes with me everywhere, ALL the time. Love it.

    • dugoutdon

      how do you load magazines…I can’t…one could only get three rounds in the other jammed with follower half way down…springs are too too heavy…so aare your mags different…called SIg they laughed said they hear this all the time..try a loader …a loader for a carry gun!!

      • tCotUS

        Really?

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  • Wm

    I looked at all of them SIG 365, HellCat etc..I own many firearms , especially a number of different pocket type 380’s from original Walther PPK’s, Beretta model 70s, SIG 230, etc etc…and I have two S&W Shield 2.0 one with laser one with out, only because they are 9mm…..they work fine…and at half the cost of the SIG. I do not need to pay the exorbitant SIG prices for two more rounds, that I will probably never need and if so carry an extra mag that costs $15 not $40!!! SIG makes fine firearms and i have severl from 226,220, 229…but they are over priced just like H&K 3000, and VP9 which I also own.

    • Meanstreak

      The shield doesnt hold a candle to the 365. I own both, the shield ergos and function are ass. Try a 365 and you’ll see.

  • fireball1322

    FWIW, I like mine ok Only a couple months old and doing great IMO.

  • Charlie

    Dude, you are a south-paw. How is the slide catch anywhere near either of your thumbs?

  • Mike Strunk

    My Gen2 Coyote has worked great since day 1….no issues.

  • greaburns

    I love the P365. Got a great price on the NRA version. Shoots like a bigger gun. I don’t need to tear down other guns to say I like mine.

    • dugoutdon

      can’t load the mags-can you? The two with the gun-one jammed the follower half way down-the other could fight that spring to get only two or three rounds-SIG laughed when I called said they hear this all the time…get a loader it may help…a loader for a carry gun…where do you carry that? A carry gun you can’t top up or reload in the field!! Junk

      • greaburns

        I have a maglula magazine loader and I have no problem loading the magazine fully. When I carry, it is with a full magazine and one spare. I don’t carry loose rounds since I don’t think reloading a magazine would work for me. I can load the magazines fully without the magazine loader but it is difficult. I think it has gotten easier with use.

        • dugoutdon

          Thanks for the reply,appreciate it! Golly,difficult isn’t the word for the two magazines that came with my gun, and they go back to SIG on Monday along with strong letters and such. I broke both my thumb nails trying to load these junkers. Not a brag but explanation, I have 60 years experience with firearms from competition,police,military, writting about them and the politics and such-and never had such problems. And this was a birtday present!! You are right and I agree and usually carry an extra mag when out and about-fastest reload! Although, in a real fight its unlikely anyone would need the extra in civilian carry but you never know… Murphy’s Law??

  • David Smithey

    You need to review the P365 XL. It holds 12 and 15 rounds and is a little bigger than it’s little brother. I have had zero issues with it.

  • tCotUS

    I’ve owned a 365 for years & only had maybe a couple of hiccups the entire time. Shot hundreds of rounds through it. Not planning on replacing it for a long time.

  • Mike Strunk

    I have the FDE NRA Model….Serial # under 50. Pretty cool. Has never failed….runs great.

  • Anson D Panz

    Alabama Holster makes a great pocket holster for the 365. Even a version for the laser sight.