Shooting Submachine Guns and PCCs at distance

While traditional rifle folks will claim that shooting submachine guns at distance is folly, the same is true of pistol caliber carbines (PCCs). Travis Haley from Haley Strategic Partners disagrees. He and his crew prove you can place effective shots out to 200 yards if you understand holdover.

Subs at a Distance: Know Your Holdover

His example is a 9mm H&K MP5 zeroed to 25 yards. As expected, at 50 yards, the rounds landed slightly above the 25-yard shots thanks to ballistic physics. Knowing this happens, a shooter can put the reticle slightly below for precise shots. However, the holdover was insignificant enough that even unadjusted shooting lands center mass shots from distance. 

Subgun distance shooting
Shooting at 200 yards.

So how does Travis do at 100, 200, and even 300 yards? Watch the video to find out.

Sling Control

While many people will attach a stock or brace to a PCC or submachine gun, Travis recommends first trying a sling to get better control. Tighten the sling to the point where the gun is a comfortable distance away without being too loose and away or too close where the arms are too slack. Next is the grip.

Shooting a submachine gun with the sling tension method

Your dominant hand should grip like a motorcycle throttle for maximum torque while your support hand adjusts to the sights: thumb down with irons, thumb on top with an optic.

The sling tension method isn’t an ideal one, but there are times when it must be used. 

See it in action here:


We’ve all been taught the box or athletic stance, the one that looks like a shortstop fielding a ground ball. But what if that isn’t the most effective or efficient stance after all? What if we should take our cues more from martial arts than from sports? Travis demonstrates what he argues is a better stance for a stronger presence and recoil management:

When you’re done, check out our selection of PCC mags and accessories.

David Workman is an avid gun guy, a contributing writer to several major gun publications, and the author of Absolute Authority. A logophile since way back, Workman is a quickdraw punslinger and NRA RSO and Certified Pistol Instructor. He helps train new shooters on basic handgun skills and CCW requirements and is a strong advocate for training as much as practicable. "Real-world shootouts don't happen at a box range."

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